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Adam Penna’s autobio:
“I haven’t always
thought of myself as a poet. But when I was a
boy, my best company was the voice I heard humming
in my head. I would like to think it was the gentle
voice of the universe, but I will say it was my
conscience, growing and learning the language
of poetry. And poetry, for me, is a matter of
conscience. It is my way of figuring out what
is right or wrong, good or bad, excellent or unsatisfactory,
and true or false.”
And if that won’t do, and something else
is required, please consider this:
Adam Penna lives on Long Island in the United
States. His poems have appeared in magazines,
journals and anthologies. He teaches at Suffolk
County Community College and holds an MFA from
Southampton College, LIU. Finishing Line Press
will be publishing his chapbook “The Love
of a Sleeper," and S4N Books will be publishing
a manuscript containing two of his long sequences
called “Little Songs & Lyrics to Genji.”
He edits Best Poem, an online journal publishing,
not necessarily every day, a poet’s best
poem.
Rati Saxena, Indian poet believes: "I
feel true poet always loves love." How do
you find this statement? A beautiful motto? A
pure fact? Or an ambiguous desire which needs
clarification? I specially like to know where
is the place of hate in poetry ?
Each poem in its essence is a love poem, even
when it is a poem, which addresses the darker
aspects of the human spirit. What is hate but
the love of the wrong thing? This is what strikes
me when reading Dante’s Inferno, for instance,
that even in hell there isn’t the absence
of love – though Dante’s God’s
love is absent – but an abundance of love
misdirected, distorted, confused, abused and stingily
withheld. It is the love of and in a poem, which
causes the pity and terror or the joy and excitation
that the best works of art inspire in the human
spirit. For the poet, his first love is the love
of language, which – ideally – brings
him to a love of the world. His job is to praise
even the worst, and to cherish and celebrate the
very best.
What is your interpretation of this line
by Delmore Schwartz :
"The poet must be both Casanova and St. Anthony"
I suspect what Schwartz means is that a poet must
be the world’s greatest lover and a hermit.
Okay. But a poet, I think, must be more. He must
be like Adam, from the story in Genesis. He must
be like the first man, the first person, and name
all things. Essentially, the poet says: this is
blackbird, this is sunset, this is sleep and this
is love. The first question a poet asks each morning
and the last question he asks before he goes to
sleep is: What is this? The poem is the answer.
I like to think of poetry, then, as prayer –
which perhaps makes, for me anyway, the poet more
St. Anthony than Casanova – but it is more,
too. A poem is both prayer and answer, both call
and response, both a record of something and a
thing itself. It is as if a he-bird called to
its mate: “I am here, I am here,”
and she answered: “So am I, so am I.”
Perhaps this is how the poet is Casanova. He woos
an answer, which always, if he asks the question,
obliges, comes.
What is the difference between the losses
caused by natural death and the losses caused
by war ? I mean what is the effect of these two
kinds of absence on you as a poet?
I feel both losses keenly and don’t necessarily
distinguish, at least in my heart, between the
two. Loss is loss, absence absence. Of course,
in my mind there is a great difference between
what happens as a matter of course and what happens
because of an act of will. Poetry is a moral art,
which encourages us to accept the inevitable (and
death is inevitable) and reject and condemn the
unnecessary. I am not prepared to say that all
wars are unnecessary, but neither am I willing
to allow that war is inevitable. It seems unfortunate
to me that what passes for political discourse
seems to vacillated between two extremes, where
reasonable people can’t participate. Poetry
asks us to participate in the heroic spirit, the
best men and women are capable of doing, saying,
being. What strikes me as a poet is that when
things are at their worst, people can be at their
best. I didn’t know my neighbors half as
well as I did, when the neighborhood was hit by
a terrific storm that uprooted the biggest trees.
We worked shoulder to shoulder all that afternoon,
until the way was cleared and we had learned each
other’s names.
What is your idea about Kay Ryan as new
Poet Laureate?And this lines by Julie:
"while the NYT didn't deign to mention it,
the Washington Post had a lovely profile of Ryan
today in which she talked about her partner of
thirty years and their wedding in Marin County
(the same day she was called to be Poet Laureate.)
So a woman and the first lesbian since Elizabeth
Bishop, who was a little less open about her female
penchants and passions. "
I like her poems. I think they are gems, polished
and gleaming. And the formal inclinations, especially
the surprising rhymes, give a great deal of pleasure.
The achievement of her nomination and her sexuality
merely prove things have changed, at least in
some way, in the states. But I try not to be more
involved than that. I don’t think that a
laureateship does as much good for poets or poetry
as some might argue, and it may even do some harm,
at least in the short term, if people come to
believe that the one national representative of
poetry represents all poetry is. I poll my students
every semester to see if they know who the poet
laureate is or what a poet laureate does. Very
few know. Most don’t care. And yet I have
been to the readings, where the poet laureate
climbs to the podium and preaches, to the converted,
the virtue of poetry. All the apologies in the
world can’t convince a reader if the poetry
can’t first. And the poetry, whosever it
is, laureate or hermit, must convince on the most
profound level, deep below the skin, in the heart’s
chamber, in the heart’s home. The laureateship
of the heart can’t be awarded. It must be
won. Think, then, how many laureates there are!
Every lover scribbling verse to his sweetheart
is a laureate, and every sullen adolescent, who
keeps her notebook under her pillow, too.
Do you agree with this saying: "
the more "professional" we become as
readers ,the more myopic we grow"
I do. I blame poets and professors mostly for
the alienation from poetry many people feel. (This
is true in the US, anyway.) It takes most of my
energy and ingenuity as a professor to cure students
of the belief that without professional guidance,
they would be unable to enjoy a poem. After all,
isn't it true that what we do as professional
readers of poetry is attempt to find language
suitable to the experience of reading? This is
a worthy endeavor but oughtn't usurp the more
essential activity. A good poem, when spoken directly
to a sensitive and eager audience, works like
an electric current. Meaning, formulae, articulation,
all of this is secondary. If we confuse finding
the meaning of a poem with having experienced
a poem, we make the same mistake as the philosopher
who spends his life attempting to find the meaning
of what, had he stepped out of his dark garret
and into the sunshine, he might have possessed
utterly. This is why I became a poet, partly.
This is why I continue to write poetry.
How do you see the purpose of religion
as a poet?
In some ways, the aims of poetry and the aims
of religion are similar. They are to direct the
soul away from the surface of things and toward
their essences. Poetry and religion stem from
a desire first to find and then to love what is
divine.
What does highten your sense of personal
and cultural identity as an American poet?
I don't think of myself as an American poet.
Not first, anyway. But there are aspects of my
personality, and therefore aspects of my poetry,
which are essentially American. Whatever spiritual
yearning there is to be found, for instance, in
my poems falls into the tradition of American
poetry, which aims to discover what will suffice,
even what might sustain. There is, too, a reliance
on the natural world, the images of birds and
trees and the like, to find answers. Incidentally,
I don't see these qualities as American. I see
them rather as human. I guess it is, then, the
accent, which is American. The particular flavor,
like one finds in regional cuisine.
Iverson believes that the act of teaching
is much like writing poetry ;every question is
difficult and every answer not always accessible.
How do you see teaching?
Teaching for me is about revision. Each class,
like each poem, is an opportunity to revise or
change one's understanding. The best teachers,
I think, and the best poets don't lecture. Rather,
they explore, test. Not that the attempt to make
a space, provide an opportunity, for change, for
reconciliation with the truth, happens all the
time, but that should always be the aim. Then
even our failures might be beautiful.
Animals play a significant role in Iverson
life because according to her:" they teach
the unequivocal lesson of unconditional love "
. May I know your own feeling as a poet about
animals?
I look to animals all the time for wisdom and
strength. They are so self-contained, efficient,
alive. In some ways, I feel more at home in the
woods than I do in the human world. However, the
wild is a fierce place, too, and its brand of
love far larger than what many of us, from custom,
have come to call love.
How do you enrich your ability to preserve
and protect a poetic wolrd of your own?
I take my time, a little of each day, to tend
to that poetic world. There is no other way, as
far as I can see, to be successful as a poet -
and I don't mean famous or literary, when I say
successful - than to spend what is most precious,
time and life, attempting to find what is essential.
I was thinking about this other day, how courageous
it is, really, to be a poet after middle age.
So much depends on mere survival that to suspend
the getting and spending for even a moment, especially
when poetic attempts end so frequently in failure
of a sort, seems always extraordinary. I don't
mean to place the poet on too-high a pedestal.
His isn't the only way to reverence. But it is
one way. And a worthwhile one, too.
Tsvetaeva says: " I am no good at
proving things.I don't know how to live ,but my
imagination has never brtrayed me , and never
will."Please tell me how do you introdce
yourself? what is your intrepretation of betraying
of imaginations? or realities? Is the main ability
of a poet to know how to die? I remember also
Sylvia Plath and her saying; " Dying is an
art.".
Living, too, is an art. For me, poetry is a way
of seeing the world, of being in the world. I
don't typically introduce myself as a poet. This
is because people so frequently see poets as people
who write poems. But that's not quite what I do
or want to do. So it's better to be a poet, in
the best sense of the word, and let my good works,
where they flower, speak for themselves. I would
like to avoid merely being literary, which seems
a terrible way to live or die.
What makes you happy besides your writing?
My wife, sunshine, a big moon, the sound of geese
barking overhead, the glimmering water, my cat,
the field at the end of my road, the smell of
earth, a good book, clean prose, the spirit in
all its manifestations, fierce love and fiercer
forgiveness.
As a redaer how do you interprete this
line by Forough Farrokhzad , Iranian poet?:
It is the flowers' bloodstained history
that has commited me to life.
I don't know the poet's intentions, but whenever
I read the word "life" I always stop
to wonder what exactly that means. I guess there
is a part of us, a holy part, I think, which stands
apart from nature, which needs to commit itself
to life. One is wed, of course, to all that. And
yet how marvelous to say, "I do! Yes!"
to the world, which spins and moves through the
heavens and would whether we said yes or not.
Every body in my country who has read
the translations of your poems is agree with me
that you are American brother of our great Iranian
poet: Sohrab Sepehri whose poetry is the symbol
of Eastern soufism. How do you find the reason?I
mean who is this classic poet from the East living
inside you ?
I am flattered by the comparison. And I would
hope that wherever I am successful as a poet it
is because I have stumbled upon the truth or some
aspect of it, which any other earnest poet might
also find, should he desire to find it. When you
ask who is the classic poet in the East living
inside me, I stop to wonder. I don't know. I see
him sometimes, in glimpses. He is a friend and
he waves and disappears. He may be all in me that
is good. He corrects me when I misstep. He soothes
me, when my spirit is agitated. He rises up, when
my strength would fail. He warns me: leave a space
for light because, though you doubt, it is coming. |
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